It IS Not the Home the Banks Want It is the Foreclosure Judgment or Sale

THE MYTH OF FORECLOSURE SINCE 2001: “why would the banks foreclose unless they had to? The banks don’t want the homes and they don’t want to foreclose. The banks just want to get repaid for a legitimate loan.”

There is a natural tendency to believe that the bank would not be in the courtroom seeking a foreclosure in the absence of an actual loan that was unpaid. The presumption of the judge naturally moves towards the statistical certainty that banks would not incur the expense of foreclosing on property in which they had no interest. Thus for all of the flagrant criminal and civil violations committed by the banks in the enforcement of loans, the thoughts of any reasonable judge naturally drift to the idea that our marketplace will be completely corrupted and un-trusted if we let borrowers off the hook on legitimate debts. I think that  this is the reasoning that dominates the thinking of judges and justices on the trial bench and the appellate courts. And it is not unreasonable for them to have that knee-jerk reaction after centuries of statistical evidence showing that the above presumption has been correct millions of times.

This is why lawyers are necessary and pro se litigants  probably will fare poorly most of the time. As a rule of thumb, I tell attorneys whom I am mentoring that they have approximately 30 seconds to get the judge’s attention before the judge’s mind wanders off into the knee-jerk land that is described above. I suggest that you will get the judge’s attention through the establishment of rapport. Real rapport is established when you introduce your argument using terms and doctrines and common sense that you already know live in the mind of the judge. So you may as well say that all things being equal, you would normally rule in favor of the bank and against the borrower regardless of the hardship and regardless of the empathy that one might feel towards the borrower. You might also say that all things being equal, your empathy toward the borrower would be mitigated by their lack of judgment in taking a loan that they could not afford.

But then it is time to make your point. The reason you are there in court is not because you were paid but because you think the borrower has a case in which the borrower can and should prevail. Your primary point should be that if this was merely about fabrication of documents for an otherwise legitimate debt that was unpaid, you wouldn’t be there. Your secondary point should be that there is a very good reason why the borrower can and will deny the debt, deny the note,  deny the mortgage, deny the default, and deny the existence of a creditor who would qualify under state statute to submit a credit bid at any foreclosure auction. And your third point should drive that point home, to wit: the reason is that nobody in this courtroom nor any of their predecessors or successors have any interest in this loan. Instead they are participants in a scheme to prevent the borrower and this court from knowing the identity of the creditor at the time of the loan and the identity of the creditor at this time.

You should express confidence that the facts will show that there is a complete absence of any money exchanging hands between them and the borrower and between them and any “assignee” of any any instrument. In fact, you are confident the facts will show there is a complete lack of privity between the borrower and these people and entities with whom the borrower never did business, except to make monthly payments under the mistaken belief that the servicer was the bookkeeper for the creditor. (That is why they use Limited powers of attorney and false designations of “Signing officer” — you can do it unilaterally and you don’t need to show an underlying transaction for those instruments, but you DO need consideration (canceled check or wire transfer receipt) for the origination of the loan and any assignments claiming there was a transactional sale of the loan).

The next thing I tell lawyers whom I mentor is that they have five minutes to convince the judge and  they should avoid any argument that is off-topic, to wit: don’t even think that you can win the entire case in any one  hearing.  So for example you might tell the judge that the banks are not foreclosing because they have to, they are foreclosing because they want to. This would be a good time to say that things have changed dramatically since traditional foreclosures virtually ended 20 years ago.  Then you go on to state that the reason why these parties are attempting to foreclose on this property is because they have already been paid large fees sometimes in excess of the principal amount of the loan demanded; and they will owe those profits and fees back to the investment bankers that paid them to pretend to be lenders and pretend to be creditors and pretend to be parties with the right to foreclose. Sounds crazy but it is true.

And the reason that the investment bankers have paid them to do that is that the investment bankers stole part of the investor money that fueled this scheme, put it in their own pockets and then instead of using the infrastructure of the documented promises made to investors, they claimed to own the loans themselves that were fueled with what money was left after the investment banker skimmed the top. BY claiming they owned the loans they received insurance, credit default swaps, federal money and proceeds of sale to the Federal Reserve and others to the extent of receiving as much as 42 times the principal supposedly due from the borrower, which at all times was due to the investors directly without any intervening entities.

So that leaves the borrower unable to exercise his rights under HAMP and the so-called servicers are prevented from compliance with HAMP because they don’t actually have a debt anymore much less a creditor or any authority to speak for a creditor. By smothering the court with fraudulent paperwork these banks are creating the illusion of a debt, the illusion of a note that can be used as evidence of the debt, the illusion of a mortgage lien that has been perfected and the illusion of a default on a loan that is not in default and which in all probability has been paid by people who have waived their right to contribution and subrogation.

The sole reason we are here, your Honor, is that the banks need this foreclosure to avoid liability to third parties from whom they collected millions of dollars — they are not here to be repaid for a loan that isn’t due to them and never was.

Someone must benefit from these criminal actions. Up till now, it has been the criminals. Now it is our turn.

Vacant foreclosures in South Florida second in nation
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_palm_beach_county/vacant-foreclosures-in-south-florida-second-in-nation

Citigroup agrees to $968M settlement with Fannie Mae
http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/morning_call/2013/07/citigroup-agrees-to-968m-settlement.html

Bank of America Foreclosure Scandal: Customer Power, Not Regulation, Will Solve Corporate Corruption
http://www.policymic.com/articles/49539/bank-of-america-foreclosure-scandal-customer-power-not-regulation-will-solve-corporate-corruption

BLAME THE VICTIM: Study: Shaky math skills a predictor of foreclosure
http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/06/study_shaky_math_skills_a_pred.html

Servicing Intel: Foreclosure issues cloud mortgage investor outlook
http://www.housingwire.com/content/servicing-intel-foreclosure-issues-cloud-mortgage-investor-outlook

New regulations add protections for homeowners facing foreclosure
http://bostonherald.com/business/real_estate/2013/06/new_regulations_add_protections_for_homeowners_facing_foreclosure

LA settles foreclosure case with Deutsche Bank
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jun/29/la-settles-foreclosure-case-with-deutsche-bank/

More Conflicts For The “Independent” Foreclosure Reviews
http://retheauditors.com/2013/06/30/more-conflicts-for-the-independent-foreclosure-reviews/

Hundreds of thousands could get loan modifications – no paperwork required
http://www.inman.com/wire/hundreds-of-thousands-could-get-loan-modifications-no-paperwork-required/

The EU logs antitrust charges against Markit, the ISDA and 13 banks for blocking exchanges in the credit derivatives business. “The banks acted collectively to shut out exchanges from the market because they feared that exchange trading would have reduced their revenues.” Banks charged: BAC, BCS, C, MS, CS, DB, GS, HBC, JPM, RBS, UBS, BNPQY.PK.

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  1. So sorry..Correct typo…So sorry to hear of your tremendous loss Rob.

  2. So sorry to hrar of your tremendous loss Rob. It sounds like you are living proof of your fathers great legacy. That is honorable and appreciated. Thank you and Happy Independence Day to you and your family.

  3. 3rd annual Independence Day Reminder of “Lawful” Property Confiscation in America

    – Independence Day?

    Posted by Rob Harrington July 4, 2010 at 7:00am

    July 4th, 2010 —

    Today, I will remember my father who passed away so recently. He was a retired officer of the United States Air Force. A fervent defender of the Constitution and of fact and law, and an avid student of History, this highly decorated, honest man devoted his entire life to preserving our noble freedoms.

    Last Memorial day in Washington D.C., as my mother and I visited Arlington National Cemetary where he is to be buried with full military honors, 100,000′s of Vietnam veterans were also visting D.C. for “Rolling Thunder” to also pay their respects to fallen brothers and sisters of the Vietnam War. This was the same War my father earned a Bronze Star among many other decorations for valor and dedication while risking his own personal safety and life.

    It was that Sunday I picked out a book in his vast historical library to begin a read for the long, sad trip home back to Florida. Florida is where I have been fighting fraud and for property rights for several long, frustrating years. The book I chose was written about the Vietnam War entitled “The War of the Innocents,” by Charles Bracelen Flood. Published in 1970, Mr Flood foresaw the main reason WHY the South Vietnamese and the U.S. would EVENTUALLY LOSE the war against the Communist Viet Cong. The ex-Army, Harvard graduate keenly observed that the poor Vietnamese peasant farmers were CONSTANTLY having their PROPERTIES SEIZED ILLEGALLY BY A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND THEIR CORRUPT, WEALTHY BUSINESS PARTNERS.

    The constant harrassment, removal, and dislocation of the poor, peasant farmers and their families contributed greatly to the lack of support of their corrupt Saigon Government, and indeed the lack of responsibility of its own soldiers and citizens to fight effectively against the Communists.

    In 2010, even an 8 year old being removed from their home due to a questionable foreclosure could draw the same conclusion regarding a corrupt system that aids and abets illegal and fraudulent harrassment, removal and dislocation of too many families who’s unalienable rights are being denied. Today, I will remember the millions of Americans who were defrauded by the Banks and are now being removed from their homes by the very governments who were supposed to protect them. Their protections are DENIED almost daily by the very consumer laws that are NOT being enforced nor upheld.

    IF FACT AND LAW ARE NOT BEING UPHELD IN THE COUNTRY WHO HAS SHED THE MOST BLOOD FIGHTING COMMUNISM AND FASCISM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, WHAT DOES THAT REVEAL ABOUT THE NATURE OF THOSE WHO SWEAR A HOLY OATH TO DEFEND AND PRESERVE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OTHER LAWS– AND DO NOT?

    Tomorrow, I begin researching “Fraud on the Courts” on forged complaints and so-called “supporting” documents made by so-called “officers of the court” in yet another legal battle on a case already dismissed once before.

    Today, on the morning of the 4th of July, I will miss my father terribly. Today, I weep in utter despair as I write this message to whoever cares to read it. I sincerely question that his whole life was dedicated to being deceived by a collosal lie?

    On July 4th, 2010, this is NOT a happy day for me. Is this really Independence Day in foreclosureland?

    -Rob Harrington

    Co-Founder / National WAMU Homeowners Support Group

    crharrington@cox.net

  4. Notice corporate retail does not honor our Independence Day but they all close on Christ-mas….Satan’s big lie he made everyone believe….!

  5. The paper trail doesn’t matter any way if they can’t produce the legal agreement. Why would they want to show us all of their fraudulent transfers….? Would you want to incriminate yourself?

  6. They don’t have that either jg… I asked them for it and got no response. If there was any legal proof, they deleted all of their fraud. That’s the beauty of it for them and why they want to commit all of their fraud electronically. Hard drives go missing and so do back up discs….oooops they did it again…!

  7. let me guess – some subsidiary of AIG took puts in the market which paid off “handsomely” when the S hit the fan in 2008? Or how about that little ‘wrong key stroke’ that saw the market decline around 500 pts in one day a couple years ago? Like to have had me some puts about then, I would have.

  8. neidermeyer, not sure what federal ruling you’re talking about. Our govt made a choice to float AIG’s payouts (how nice of them) under color of tbtf, but what ruling? We need discovery or leaks or something (!) to demonstrate who aig paid. There is probably no provision for our govt to bail out legitimate businesses, so I can’t imagine how the govt could bail out a business which violated every governing law for that business (if so). AIG has allegedly paid back a lot of that money. If AIG had no rights of subrogation, where’d they get the dough since snarfing our homes would not accrue to AIG’s benefit?

  9. there certainly is a trail when things are done electronically. That’s why there’s ‘electronic discovery’, something our side is woefully behind on. .

  10. IT’S ALL ABOUT KEEPING THEIR AMERICAN DREAM ALIVE…! FRAUD…LIES ….DECEPTION TO KEEP EVERYONE ENSLAVED TO THEIR FICTITIOUS DEBTS….THEIR SELF ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM…AND COLLECTING THEIR BRASS TAX….IT’S. ALL ABOUT GETTING OUR MONEY FOR NOTHING & ALL OF THEIR SHIT FOR FREE! HOW ELSE CAN YOU GET MEGA RICH IN AMERICA….! THEY ARE LIVING OUR DREAM…! MWAHAHA…SUCKERS…!

  11. @ John Galt

    That’s how I see it also … a federal court has ALREADY determined who the real party in interest is when they forced the payout and it is factually different than my plaintiff or the (strawman) “originator” , it is also different than ANY party on any assignment … My point is that this is an ideal FACT to hammer the plaintiff over the head with as to standing… Can they stand before the judge and state that the previous federal court determination is in error? Can they continue to refuse to disclose the party they are hiding?

    On a more general note … Why in the hell hasn’t there been a serious challenge at some state level over the failure to show standing based on the fact that the plaintiff is undisclosed and standing CANNOT logically be determined?

  12. It’s part and parcel of why MERS was denominated a nominee instead of an agent (though in the typical double-speak the dot
    went on to describe the rights of an agent, not a nominee).

  13. neidermeyer – when AIG made those questionable (that’s being nice) insurance contracts, they knew they could not have subrogation rights and did not then have subrogation rights. My impression is that was because whatever was being insured was already pledged, as in security interests to the trusts which didn’t factually own the loans – they just had the security interests by op of the UCC having paid for the notes but the notes weren’t delivered.. That or as I said, AIG took bets, and didn’t make insurance to folks with insurable interests

  14. The truth is third party foreign investors could never legally purchase our Securities…..and they never did. ALL OF THEIR FRAUD IS DONE BY MANY INVESTMENT PROXIES LIKE THE GSEs…MERS….AKA MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT SYSTEMS….AND OTHER FOREIGN ENTITIES…INVESTMENT HOUSES LIKE LEHMAN….GOLDMAN ….CHASE…..DISGUISED AS AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS…ALL FOREIGN THIRD PARTY IMPOSTERS…… WHO WERE NEVER A PARTY TO THE ORIGINAL FRAUDULENTLY INDUCED CONTRACTS…..AKA TOO BIG TO FAIL CORPORATE AMERICAS FOREIGN THIRD PARTY INVESTORS WHO WE FUND….ALL FOREIGN CONTROLLED & INCORPORATED AS CORPORATE AMERIKA…!

  15. AIG INSURED THE GAMBLING DEBTS OF FOREIGN THIRD PARTY INVESTORS WITH U.S. TAXPAYER MONEY AND AIG WERE NEVER A PARTY TO THE ORIGINAL FRAUDULENTLY INDUCED CONTRACTS…! MASTERFULLY EVIL & DECEPTIVE…!

  16. THESE PROPERTIES ARE THE SECURITIES OF WE THE PEOPLE….not the Securities of the State Government, the Federal Government or any other Foreign third party Investors.

    INVESTMENT IS NOT CONTROL OR OWNERSHIP OF OUR SECURITIES WITHOUT NOTIFICATION TO US BY U.S. MAIL THERE IS A PURCHASER OF OUR SECURITY….THEN THEY NEED OUR CONSENT…..THEN THEY NEED A RECEIPT…THE CANCELLED NOTE & PAID MORTGAGE STAMPED PAID BY THE U.S. TREASURY MUST BE SENT TO US &….THEY NEED OUR EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT TO DO A TRANSFER OF OUR TITLE… A NEW CONTRACT WITH THE CHANGE OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE NEW CONTRACT….ONLY THEN CAN THEY HOLD THE SECURITY.

    THEY TOLD US THEY MAY SELL THE LOAN TO ANOTHER BANK….NOT TRANSFER OUR TITLE & OUR SECURITY TO A FOREIGN THIRD PARTY INVESTOR CALLED MERS……MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT SYSTEMS OR SOME OTHER BITS & PIECES TO OTHER STRANGERS TO THE MORTGAGE…

    IT’S ALL FRAUD…AND IT WAS & IS CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.

    These foreign third party investors are all imposters/fictitious payees.

  17. They certainly left no traceable paper trail of the actual crime scene ….the gambling with OUR SECURITIES. That is the excuse as to why there were no audits of these foreign third party investor crooks and their shenanigans with OUR SECURITIES….

    That is why they are trying to turn all of their fraud electronic so they can rob us with no paper trail to the perps…the foreign third party investor fraudsters.

    That is also why they want to microchip us to all of their fraud with OBAMACARE.

    The serpent moves more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God has made.

  18. In our Constitutional Republic a judge is not intended to be judge jury and executioner when the issue is the Life, Liberty and Property of a U.S. citizen. These courts are claiming PERSONAL JURISDICTION over these fraudclosures because they are also third party investors in this scam to steal everything from the people.

    That is PROOF OF PREJUDICE by the courts and the judges abd that PREJUDICE is called MERS …..MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT SYSTEMS….

    It is absolutely disgusting and heinous these foreign Fugger third party investors could be getting away with this b.s. with no receipts in America and are dictating to the CITIZENS who pay for everything in this country and others.

    These politicians are crooks and are a disgrace.

    These crooks have NO LEGAL STANDING to foreclose on a gumball let alone the property of WE THE PEOPLE.

  19. Here is something to do for you all! The CFPB has issued some new proposed rules for mortgages. You can give feedback to them up until July 22nd. 174 pages of proposed rules. Go for it.

  20. The CDS’ are bets, like in Vegas, the loans WOULD fail. They knew it and jaded the paperwork and ratings to cash in on both ends of the transaction, by lying about the quality of the loans… and I personally think this can be proven!

  21. So, if the original notes were destroyed, which is against the commercial standards to be perfected, where is their case? Copies of “destroyed” notes, not lost BTW, are not and should not be sufficient to grab real property, under the law. But, the judges already know that now don’t they?

  22. @chris king

    very interesting video. however, i am concerned about the florida bankers assn stating that all original notes were destroyed. if the originals were destroyed, and a lost note affidavit was filed, then there is one less defense to be had.

    Example: by claiming that the original note was destroyed, it can not therefore still be in the stream of national commerce, and thus still be a potential threat against the homeowner by another note holder claimant in the future.

    So I would not claim that the original note was destroyed, only that it must be produced and that the plaintiff can’t produce it.

    I’m open to alternative arguments.

  23. niedermeyer
    what exactly did AIG insure? can you direct me to some source material?
    thanx.

  24. @ JohnGalt

    I think AIG is a great WEDGE issue ,, unlike the credit default swap writers they are a real insurer , but they had stupid contracts that gave them no interest in the insured in the event of a payoff (think of it as car insurance , you “total” your car , they own the car after payoff and can recoup some of the loss selling it at an insurance auction to a body shop or dismantler). They paid real money at 100% valuation and then saw the insured items sold to Maiden Lane for ~20% of what they paid out , a payoff IN FULL. The insured party in my case is one who is not named anywhere on either the “loan” or the securitization docs. Certainly we have the Federal Governments blessing to say that this previously unknown 3rd party that was paid off by this insurer AT A MINIMUM raises a question about true party in interest and if any debt remains.

    At this point we really need to hammer on the banks lack of credibility.

  25. masterservicer

    “Bob G ….so a doubting Thomas .

    Cash Investment 25,000.00

    Multiple on Cash 20:1 $ 500,000.00
    Multiple on Revs 400:1 $ 10,000,000.00
    Multiple on Assets 133.:1 $ 66,666,666.67

    I agree Neil should not throw numbers out he cant support . But $66.6 million on $25,000 …want me to keep going ….It can get in the trillions real real fast ….”

    I have absolutely no idea what the above is supposed to represent. Can you please clarify and explain?

    Thanx

  26. All in all its like a bad unrated movie made in a foreign land by foreign imposters but it appears they are in an American courtroom but there is a Nazi flag sitting in the corner of the room made to look American but has a Nazi swastika discreetly dangling from it…there are judges who are pretending to be Americans but they are really satan worshippers and nazis dressed in black robes and they whisper in a strange almost foreign language like farsi or something so you can’t hear or understand them when they talk to the treasury attorney’s …they act like strangers when courts in session but before court they all act like friends……it’s like they are all trying to hoodwink us or something…wink… wink…and it is paid for by all of us of course.

    It’s like an episode of the twilight zone made in Russia. It’s just weird and foreign.

  27. The judges are their perps…it’s all political. It is feudalism with the politicians who are hiding behind the corporate logos and they hired the U.S. TREASURY DEPARTMENT TO PRETEND THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE BANKS..IT’S LIKE A LIVE BURLESQUE SHOW IN THOSE COURTROOMS..! They are all being directed by the Russian mob and Satan’s at the helm…!

  28. The foreign third party investors are the plaintiffs via the traitor politicians who are the foreign third party investors. Cough..cough..!

  29. Corporate America is in reality a one eyed … one horned… lying purple people eater…

  30. “The sole reason we are here, your Honor, is that the banks need this foreclosure to avoid liability to third parties from whom they collected millions of dollars — they are not here to be repaid for a loan that isn’t due to them and never was…”

    Yes, Neil—a FAKE loan…the proof is that when the servicer says: “We are foreclosing due to your uncured default…”—and then you ASK “uncured default” to WHOM???—and they won’t tell you…”we don’t have to tell you”, is what they say…and the courts agree. Fraud, lies, and cover-ups are the order of the day…with no end in sight.

    Merely collection rights to false default debt sold over and over and over…and over.

  31. Securitization was a big lie eggs…& they are all liars & they are all full of shit…! HEY HEY MY MY ROCK & ROLL WILL NEVER DIE…NOW..PASS THE HOME COOKIN’….MOONSHINE…FRIED CHICKEN & FREEDOM FRIES…! FOR DESSERT….FLAMING FOREIGN IMPOSTERS JUBILEE..!

  32. I think lance Armstrong’s greed could never be rivaled to Nikes foreign Corporate greed.

    Shit no….Nike is a foreign Corp incorporated to and funded by our Treasury who makes all their foreign crap with our stolen wealth with cheap Labor in foreign countries….! How Sweeet it is Alice….!

    Thank NAFTA…THE BUSHES & THE CLINTONS & THAT PEE ON ALL GORE…! HELLO..! AND THEY CALL US DEADBEATS…!

  33. bobhurt,
    Which constitution says that default must result in foreclosure? None that I know of. And I think you’re missing the entire point–there WAS no default. That’s what Neil’s getting at now and what he has been getting at this whole time. That is, anyone who could claim to be entitled to payments under a note NEVER experienced a default, PARTICULARLY if the loan was “securitized.”

  34. This is why the traitor politicians love the foreigner’s …the more foreign imposters, the more power they have to rob us with….! Yahoo!

    Send us your tired..your poor, your hungry, your sick & your weak so we can use them to rob the U.S. Treasury with…! Free college…free healthcare…free room & board….free food…so they can pocket all their profits like corporate America and send all of our stolen wealth to foreign lands…all cash…all tax free off the backs of you & me….!

  35. Do as I say not even remotely as I do… right MS?

    It is just fine if they hide their true identity though right MS..?

    Just ask Bernie Madoff and Jeffrey Skilling. It doesn’t pay to be their front man if the investors decide to get greedy on the corporate golf course.

    Just ask any homeowner fighting a fraudclosure … third party corporate foreign investors will take you to the cleaners if you let them.

    The Act of War on 9/11 was on WE THE PEOPLE and was a fake war on terror and was distraction from the biggest robbery and transfer of our wealth in history by TBTF CORPORATE AMERICA.

    No one should feel sorry for any of them. It’s all fakery, fraud & slight of hand. How do we know this? Look at all of those so called failed banks the FDIC SHUT DOWN…THEY HAD BILLIONS IN CAPITAL..IT WAS ALL A SHAM..! A big fat robbery of us. Only in Corporate greedland can a billion dollar bank be considered a failure…!

  36. And good God did you hear..? .Barbara Bush is like Aleister Crowleys Satanic lovechild…! Somehow that one I don’t believe. I do believe the Bushes could be clones of the royals…and princess di was daddy bushes illegitimate love child with Camilla..! Because kinky & weird is all they know…!

  37. Armstrong was stealing candy from a baby . Popping roids and growing his non profit each year by the millions …one of the most successful non profits ever. Win a race and double the contributions …Is he a biking great —or non profit fiend …..cash was the drug not biking

    The private label syndicated investment trust was formed as a marginal idea and poor one at that . It did not work

    Sub Prime tranches were scored from 720 down to 520 and yields were overbearing and etc …..way to costly as an experiment -It failed early on for a few reasons .

    Then it grew with founders Credit Suisse Conti Cargil and Nomoura getting sqeezed out ….then it grew and grew and grew ….its how they they made it work …they made it better and better starting in 2000 as they really tweaked it over and again ….grew the beast and then…..

    it got to far out of control –

    From 2001 through 2004 is the crime of the century in short domestic and foreign markets manufacturing synthetic manipulated short term yields swapping out Libor for the etc ….

    Only an act of war could allow this to happen …..

    registerclaims@live.com

  38. It’s great to be a Mcdonald … you get to swindle us while we buy and eat their poison ….!

    Heinous yet ingenious all in one…!

    They decided to offer us salads to give the appearance they aren’t trying to kill us but they are actually unhealthier than a big Mac ..!

    Then don’t even get me started on the French plot to kill us called French fries….!

    Give me liberty or give me freedom fries…! & petit fours…!

  39. These khazar crooks will always try and blame and/or criminalize their victims…!

    I hope Lance screwed em good because whatever swindle he could have pulled would certainly pale in comparison to what they did to him.

    They are just greedy bastards and you can bet the ranch he found out this Corp of crooks .. Nike was using his name to rob him and the U.S.A…!

    Filthy, lying corporate scumbag weasels…every one of their investors are whores WHO hide behind the Corporate logos..!

  40. They are all hiding behind one giant Corp Stanley….! It is effing beautious to be them… .. you sue one name …you sue yourself…! But..it doesn’t really matter to “Corporate America”…. it already came out of your bank account if you win….!

  41. Kathy Utiss,

    Think of this example

    Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France , what ? four five or more ties? Its funny how something strikes you as wired and you never say anything …then later realize the facts or truth as it was veiled. But Armstrong would be nowhere to be found in the long cross country day to day racing. Nowhere…

    I though it was weird that steroids would allow someone to win a bike race. I also thought it weird that Armstrong would mount his attack so late in the race and struggled with why he made his annual race winning charge of all places —up the steep French mountainside. The mountains that humbled so many racers leading to that point .

    But if your going to do steroids and want to see the brut force of the drug on the body – there you have it . Use them to blow up the mountain like a Saturn rocket launched from cape etc..etc …at the top he was so far out the leader and could cruz control all the way home .

    So you know something is wrong but no courts are convicting …..

    Take the Armstrong example and the power of distraction . Answer the question:

    Why is Armstrong being prosecuted by the US Attorney General ?
    a) Steroids Kill
    b) Steroid are an illegal substance
    c) Cheating in a domestic vs international crime
    d) Lied to A grand jury
    e) Other

    Answering the above is about the same level of analysis you need to take in figuring out wheres the steroids and fraud in court versus the low hanging fruit that everyone grabs and loses with …..

  42. CNBC said a few months ago, Wall Street does not own anything and Wall Street is not selling anything.

    All they do is steal from us & gamble. Wall Street is a racket. You guys don’t know this by now?

    The best part for these foreign crooks is they don’t even need a U.S. BANKING CHARTER TO ROB US….! JUST A CORPORATE ONE….!

    They already fraudulently control everything by many investment proxies that we fund….!

    That is the beauty of being a Corporate Impersonator … you don’t need to reveal your true identity to rob us….!

    Masterful..! Machevillian…! Diablocal & Maniacal…!

    The best way to rob our bank is to be a Foreign Corporation Incorporated into Corporate America…!

    THEY CAN CALL THEMSELVES WHOEVER THE HELL THEY WANT!…PIGS & CRAP…! PISS…SHIT….F**K! Who cares…..!

    YAHOO..!

    ITS GREAT TO BE A FOREIGN IMPOSTER ROBBING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM AN UNIDENTIFIED LOCATION WITH NO IDENTITY….!

  43. Stanley
    Who was the previous lender —-Existing Trust Fund Ocwen is likely the BofNY Mellon

  44. They were insuring gambling fraud jg. There is no paper trail because all of their fraud is committed electronically. That is why there were no audits of these crooks.

  45. Wow, I just found out my case against the government when I tried to stop the foreclosure crisis was referenced in a different bk case here in the Western District of Missouri tonight. Now here’s where it gets funny they don’t mention the Recusals or that the case their referencing wasn’t a bk case anymore. As it was a counter claim for the actions of the bankers and a Sr. District Ct Bk Judge. Or that two separate Judges recused at the federal level. They refused to address so many things! Fraud is Fraud! Lie to someone else is what I say! Wonder how this registers as where they show my case they also show it as (not reported)…Now if we can file to get something past the recusal stage we might get somewhere with the foreclosure crisis here is the link to the case that mentions my case its at the federal level and a commercial case. http://courtweb.pamd.uscourts.gov/courtwebsearch/mowb/ghen4K8D81.pdf

  46. Can anyone tell me how I may have this wrong:
    If AIG’s insurance didn’t pay off the investors, and if AIG didn’t wrongfully write insurance for parties with no insurable interest, is this not evidence of someone else’s interest in the loans (not the investors/trusts)?

    And if I’m not wrong, file an pre-complaint case (dont’ know quite what it’s called – I forget) in court pursuant to rule 26 think it is. It’s an ‘action’ to get discovery in preparation for a complaint. It’s not a lawsuit per se. That comes later. No one i this arena uses this. There is a threshold of course, but it can and does get done.

  47. AIG ARE PART OF THE WHORE OF BABYLON…AKA …… TOO BIG TO FAIL CORPORATE AMERICA…..! & THERE IS NO PAPER TRAIL OF THEIR CRIME….! YAHOO……OOOOOH…!

  48. But they still want more from us….! They won’t stop until we can’t afford our basic needs then they will incite riots so they can shoot & arrest all of us…! Everyone is a potential terrorist under the NDAA…!

  49. Yes, Bob, but what about an AIG, a regulated insurance company, not in the business of side-bets / puts? Seems to me AIG violated insurance laws. AIG was a regulated entity, not a bookie. And then we had to bail them out for making what looks like unlawful insurance to me (unless, like I said, the banksters didn’t convey any more than security interests – at best), but WE represent the moral hazard?! And the side bet / put WOULD probably be perfectly sound if not for the fact that the side-bettor willfully created an asset to fail, which is easily identifiable as to the borrowers as predatory lending and whatever name belongs on the acts against the investors in creating garbage to make the side bets /puts on. It was illegal; if not illegal, then certainly unconscionable, which is a defense to the stinking contract.

  50. CNBC said these scammers stole AN INNUMERABLE AMOUNT OF U.S. TAXPAYER’S MONEY BY THIS CORPORATE SCAM..A QUADRILLION DOLLARS IN MORTGAGE DERIVATIVES FRAUD ALONE….! AND THERE IS NO PAPER TRAIL…..!

  51. Save a buck and get mopped up all at the same time….!

  52. The issuance of credit by these crooks was an evil plan all along to destroy all private business & private owned wealth, property…all of our freedoms…! It is called….CORPORATE PERSONHOOD….! MWAHAHAHA..! AND THE BEAUTY OF IT FOR THEM IS….NO SUCH THING EXISTS…..! CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE…CORPORATIONS ARE FRAUDULENTLY CONTROLLED BY PSYCHOPATHS WHO DO NOTHING BUT ROB US TO & CONTROL US…..! KABOOOOOM! HAPPY 4TH OF JULY AMERICA…!WE HAVE ALL BEEN ROBBED SILLY & PLAYED FOR FOOLS BY CORPORATE AMERICA…..! BUT DON’T FORGET TO STOCK UP AT WALMART FOR THAT SPECIAL FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATION…! YOU CAN SAVE MORE MONEY WHILE THEY ROB YOU INTO ABJECT POVERTY…..! YAHOO…!

  53. Those numbers are sickening…seriously and all created on debt?

  54. That’s right MS…..666….IS THE NUMBER OF THIS BEAST….& IT’S THE SAME NUMBER WITH OBAMACARE …. OUR MONEY OUT OF THE TREASURY RIGHT INTO THEIR GREEDY CLAWS AND IN RETURN WE GET SUBPAR HEALTHCARE…AND THE DOCTORS ALL LOSE THEIR PRIVATE PRACTICES….! JUST MAGICAL…! THE DOCTORS & NURSES WILL BECOME WELL PAID SLAVES BUT SLAVES NONE THE LESS…!

  55. Bob G ….so a doubting Thomas .

    Cash Investment 25,000.00

    Multiple on Cash 20:1 $ 500,000.00
    Multiple on Revs 400:1 $ 10,000,000.00
    Multiple on Assets 133.:1 $ 66,666,666.67

    I agree Neil should not throw numbers out he cant support . But $66.6 million on $25,000 …want me to keep going ….It can get in the trillions real real fast ….

    registerclaims@live.com

  56. How do these Corporate swindlers say they pay these sports heroes their multimillion dollar salaries!? By raising ticket prices? OH HELL NO…THAT IS AN EXCUSE TO PUT MORE OF OUR MONEY INTO THE “OWNERS & INVESTORS” POCKETS. These players big fat salaries come directly from the U.S. TREASURY DEPARTMENT RIGHT OUT OF WE THE PEOPLES POCKETS …! These crooks don’t pay for ANYTHING so why do we support these robberbaron crooks by paying exorbitant ticket prices to support their lavish lifestyles while we pay through the nose for a lousy beer & hotdog? It is what these crooks call the American Dream to treat us like big fat suckers.

  57. Yes they are dirty fuggers alright…! Well fool us once right George W?

  58. CORPORATE AMERICA IS LIFESTYLES OF THE RICH AND INFAMOUS and it doesn’t cost them a dime and they do not actually need to earn any money because they do not need to earn a living they just need to maintain their filthy rich lifestyles.n These crooks use and abuse us to live our dream. They shit all over and wipe their big fat greedy asses with and laugh at us and our version of the American Dream because they stole it….!

  59. If you are not in the Thirteenth bloodline or a Khazar you will never be rich in America. You may be able to find a way to live comfortably but you will never be Mark Cuban rich. These people don’t work for a living these steal from us for a lifestyle.

  60. That’s right the U.S. TREASURY …. THE TRUST FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WEALTH & PROPERTY HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A GIANT WHOREHOUSE FOR THE WHORE OF BABYLON…….WHO IS….CORPORATE AMERICA…..! They are no way any part of our Constitutional Republic but use and abuse and rob us all just the same…….! The may have tried to Incorporate us but none of us ever signed or agreed to a contract to be their hostages and slaves for life.

  61. That is why all the fraudulently controlled, tax payer funded Corporate media talks about is b.s. like George Zimmerman. They don’t want us to find out their dirty little secret. Like who pays these porn stars, media moguls, Corporate honchos, media and sports stars is all of us and the fake owners just pocket the profits. What a racket right?

    That’s how you become mega rich like the Disneys, the top dog Politicians, the judges the Rockefellers and the Krupps. You make the U.S. TAXPAYER’S PAY FOR EVERYTHING AND POCKET ALL THE PROFITS…..!

  62. your typical judge & your typical court:

    Cop Sexually Assaults Woman Then Arrests Her For Protesting

  63. Just to stir the pot: I have yet to figure out how an originator can get paid insurance either…what insurable interest would they have? Their place is to pool and sell forward, the DOT is in my name too and the originator is not the lender, they have no loss…nor are they placed properly on the DOT, that is incorrect.

  64. I’ll take you up on that…

  65. This Corp of crooks never want us to know their secret…we are working for them and paying them for nothing…..! ZERO…ZILTCH..ZIPPO….!

  66. THE TRUTH IS CORPORATE AMERICA RUNS ON CREDIT….OUR BACKS AND POCKETS ALL THE PROFITS FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR INVESTORS. THAT IS HOW THEY BUY INVENTORY ON CREDIT AND PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES ON DEBIT CARDS & DIRECT DEPOSIT….DIRECT FROM THE U.S. TREASURY DEPARTMENT THE U.S. TAXPAYERS POCKETS INTO CREDIT AND NO PAPER TRAIL….CORPORATE AMERICA NEVER PAYS IT BACK AND THEY NEVER PAY USURY …..! THAT IS WHY THEY ARE RICH AND WE ARE SLAVES TO THESE CROOKS.

  67. poppy

    we should talk and compare notes, tactics, strategies. LivLies2013 at gmail.

    bob

  68. Bob

    Mine; Konar v New Century, but it is not scheduled for trial yet. Preliminary hearings, motions pending, limited discovery to date. I am a creditor, not a borrower in this case. Now, how could that happen? Any idea?

    It is my humble opinion, the reason for may of the loses is: drum roll….people may be in the wrong jurisdiction-court, lack of subject matter jurisdiction within the court they are in OR they try and get the entire case heard as fast as possible. IMHO, not a lawyer, it cannot be done and we MUST fight the people “claiming” to be something they are not./ i.e. servicers, no way, most of them are NOT working under the PSA for a trust, ain’t happening, they are debt collectors, lying to the court and skewing the meaning of servicer…there is a vast difference in servicing an account for a “charged-off” debt, rather than collecting for the trust/investors, under the legal definition, guided by the PSA…just saying.

    And all of these cases are different. There is not one that is exactly the same, that is why there are not a great deal of published ones. And the pro se’s are getting creamed in the court.

    My take on this is different than most. I think there are major contractual issues too. Tying the originator, who in many cases misappropriated borrowed money in our names, then trying to make claims for foreclosure, again just my opinion and I am no lawyer, but been in court a lot…and have a lawyer, advising me, not retained, per se.

    That’s all I have Bob. cannot tie this together the way my case is, it is different and my evidence, which much of it is in the court files, is compelling, but I will not post it here, for obvious reasons…sorry

  69. Yep. And did you know they have even securitized failed 1003’s???
    Watch

  70. Exactly. BTW watch the rough draft of our latest. http://youtu.be/qgJxLfLVMFs

  71. Jg
    U and I r in agreement.
    Look at the cds as put options on a stock. Now substitute the certificate tranches for the corp stock. So lets say that i buy puts on IBM stock. The stock falls and I make a killing. The firm that sold me the put options doesnt have a right to go after IBM. Pure side bet. I had no insurable interest. But the deal was perfectly legal.

  72. poppy

    ok, so cite me some cases that substantiate your claims.

    thanx

  73. .Bob, I couldn’t speak to that 42 times business. Don’t know anything about it really. I understand the idea that CDS’s were ‘side-bets, and maybe even totally legit by themselves. It’s how they got the substance of those side bets that’s the problem. It’s not legally okay to coordinate joint efforts (aka conspire, I suppose) to create something to foist on others with the singular goal of creating that side bet for one’s own interest to the detriment-by-design of others, and then to see to it there is false reliance on the quality of that something. It isn’t just immoral – it’s illegal, even if I’m not able to give it a name. It’s got one. I just don’t know it (unless it’s rico or like that)
    You say the best minds in the biz are at work arguing for the investors in suits against the banksters. maybe. Certainly seems like that should be the case, doesn’t it? I haven’t seen such a case where it’s alleged the investors didn’t actually receive the something they paid for, rather the attack has been on the quality of the something they did receive. Bah!

    But back to CDS’s. Okay, they were side bets apparently not requiring an interest. Swell. But that cannot be true with AIG, a regulated insuror. AIG either wrongly took money for insurance from people with no insurable interests – or, the big or – the banksters retained insurable interests, by my reckoning by seeing to it the investors only had security interests . Can it be otherwise, at least in regard to AIG? And by the way, what kind of dumb-a$$ game plan revolves around synthetics? I suppose a lot. Well, that’s a sad commentary, one which epitomizes a loss of work ethic in favor of getting rich quick at any cost. My comments may seem argumentative to your stance. They’re not meant to be. I’ve never understood how a regulated insurance co. (AIG) could insure uninsurable interests….unless they didn’t.

  74. Bob

    Gotta be the bearer of bad news, but tranches are not the issue in court, nor are the PSA’ cause most of the trusts were lies, closed, broke, or some other variation. Been through thousands of pages myself, even found my own loan (supposedly), in discovery found out my NOTE was seized by a non-lender and that’s a fact, never put in a trust, even though it is entered in one. As for the “default” insurance, it does exist and they were paid in full (value for the term of the loan, not face values)…not mortgage insurance, 2 different things.

    The issue here is: the bansters got paid multiple times from multiple players. Have cases with BOA (2) Countrywide, Credit Suisse, New Century and Ocwen and the substitute trustee (debt collector, lying about his authority and place as a servicer)…the paperwork is different with each and every entity. Balance sheets with zero on them, loan ledger from 1986…I took the supposed loan in 2005…do you need me to go on?

    Everything I file is in Pacer, no secrets here. This is why this is so challenging….they have skillfully distanced themselves from the crime.

  75. Obama Care is also the reason they want everyone to have a bank account, so they can seize the money or lien the account for those who don’t comply!

  76. Guest on Kudlow says this is not about indoctrinating students into THE OBAMACARE TOTALITARIAN SYSTEM….THESE TEACHERS AREN’T THAT SMART….IT IS ABOUT “GETTING”HEALTH INSURANCE FOR KIDS WHO NEED IT! Rrrrrrright! Ah go Bafangul…! KUDLOW CALLS IT PROPAGANDA BUT FALLS SHORT OF CALLING IT COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA…WHICH IT IS.

  77. Kudlow asks the question ….Is this the Soviet Union or America…? Because AGENTS in the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE are paying teachers incentives to push OBAMACARE ON STUDENTS…… MWAHAHAHA…..!

  78. So…..WHO made those gambles with OUR SECURITIES…? But more importantly who told them to make those gambles with OUR SECURITIES IS THE REAL QUESTION….?? RIGHT BOB G.? That is what the crooks don’t want us to know.

  79. Correct typo….in the voice of DR. EVIL….Rrrrrright Bob G….

  80. In the voice of Dr. Evi….Rrrrrrrright….Bob G…! Unfunded liabilities mean gambling debts. Don’t insult my intelligence. I am not in the mental midget club.

  81. The truth is their fraud is too far gone and I am not living on an alternate universe you and these crooks are. If I could make this stuff up I would be as rich as these crooks are.

  82. Google CNBC & “$60 trillion”
    The stories cite $60 trillion in unfunded U.S. liabilities.

    That’s like saying the NY Yankees unfunded payroll liabilities for the next 20 years totals $2 billion. What doesn’t get counted is the yet-to-be realized revenues over the same period.

  83. AIG supposedly held $700 trillion dollars in insurance payouts on their books when they extorted the bailouts. I can’t prove it that is why I said supposedly. It was in the Danny Schecter documentary PLUNDER THE CRIME OF OUR TIME. Mr Schecter obviously has an inside tipster. Why do you think there were no audits and these sheisters were all simply declared TBTF….? Please don’t insult my intelligence by asking me to prove something that can never be proven. It is called electronic fraud….no paper trail ….. It is all hidden in their unregulated electronic shadow bank.

  84. Stripes

    I give up. You are too far gone, mentally. You’re living in an alternate universe.

  85. Those investors who invested in the large institutional investment houses were insured Bob G. They were also the masterminds of this swindle & heist. They made $60 trillion dollars selling derivatives in the year 1999 alone reported CNBC, they have stolen $60.4 trillion dollars in illegal bailouts from our Treasury since 2008, they collect via the FED trillions of dollars per month in mortgage money they are not owed reported Bloomberg news ….the FED steals $85 billion more a month from us for them in ongoing bailouts and they still want more….? They are psychopathic.

  86. stripes

    “AIG supposedly held $700 trillion in CDS INSURANCE”

    Proof, please.

    You clearly do not understand how CDS contracts work. Check it out on Wikipedia (for a start).

  87. Bobhurt
    So where do I find a lawyer?
    Stanley

  88. CDS were gambles they insured….IT WAS CALLED CREDIT DEFAULT SWAP INSURANCE. AIG supposedly held $700 trillion in CDS INSURANCE FRAUD when they cried wolf. By cried wolf I mean if that is true… there is no way in the world anything backs that gambling debt.

  89. Stripes…please provide the details of the insurance for the benefit of the tranche investors.

    Look, the institutional investors have or are suing the banksters for this mess. They have retained the top law firms in the country to represent them. Yet there has been no complaint with allegations akin to the ones that Garfield has made. Why not?

    If it could have been alleged and proved, it would have been so alleged in the complaints.

    It’s just not there.

  90. Sorry, Neil, but most of your arguments seem utterly specious, and certainly the courts do not embrace them. Otherwise you’d cite some case law in support of them.

    The central problem with all those arguments lies in the fact that the borrower signed the note and mortgage, defaulted on the note, and must forfeit the mortgaged realty. THE COURT HAS A CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO ORDER THE FORECLOSURE AND SALE of the collateral.

    The central problem with all the lawyers to whom you directed your screed lies in the fact that they only defend foreclosures to bilk their clients for as long as they keep them in the house. They know the client will lose the house to foreclosure, but only after WASTING $10,000 to $50,000 on legal fees for the privilege.

    NONE of those lawyers bother examining the mortgage and related documents for evidence of tortious conduct, contract breaches, or legal errors by the original lender or its agents. Nor did the borrowers do that. Such a service from a truly competent professional examiner would only cost them $2500. And then the borrower could notify the lender of the causes of action and demand a settlement. The borrower DOES NOT NEED A LAWYER FOR THAT, Neil. The lender will ALWAYS cave in with a good deal for the borrower because the lender knows the court and jury will barbecue them with treble damages for the fraud and some ungodly amount of punitive damages, plus legal fees, if the borrower hires a lawyer and takes the matter to court.

    It’s terribly hard to find lawyers who will take such cases. They’d rather defend foreclosures for which NO PERMANENT DEFENSE EXISTS. They’d rather bilk their clients to keep them in the house for a few more months while the lawyer files cookie-cutter pleadings (like the one on your site) that are doomed to fail, but do drag out the foreclosure process. Maybe, Neil, you could use the influence of your bully pulpit to encourage more attorneys to start getting mortgage examinations done, and then settle or sue on the basis of the causes of action found. That would certainly be better than the legal practice nearly all foreclosure defense attorneys engage in now, wouldn’t it?

  91. They even insured their insurance by forcing us to pay for PMI. PMI was complete nonsense and proves they were setting us up to fail.

  92. They were all insured on their gambles Bob G. They had every angle covered.

  93. I talked to a State Investigator a while back who told me “wherever there is a lot of money being “made” there is fraud.” Key word “made” which is a secret word for stolen.

    The truth is 99% of us don’t “make” money…we earn it. The crooks just think of ways to “make” it. Like a “made” man in the mob is a man stolen by the mob. All of these Corporate head honchos and these politicians and judges are man “made” not elected.

  94. @Poppy

    1. CDS were side bets. They weren’t made to benefit the tranche investors, other than the tranche owned by the banksters. Look at ANY PSA listed on the SEC’s website. The PSAs specifically inform investors that their tranches are not insured.

    2. Mortgage Insurance. Ditto. The PSAs specifically inform investors that the mortgages themselves are not insured.

    If you can find any evidence that the above statements are not true, then please show it to us.

    I’ve read hundreds of PSAs. I’m telling you the truth.

  95. True poppy. What one word describes this kind of deception, immeasurable greed that is so diabolical and maniacal it defies belief…? Maybe psychopathic is the best word to describe this right now anyways.

  96. Oh, it’s real hard to forget any of this stripes, seriously! Webster has not created a word to describe this…nothing quite covers it!

  97. Well, the banks have broken the law over and over it’s quite hard to believe they couldn’t do it for a homeowner for the right reasons….cannot fathom this mentality…enough said!

  98. Don’t forget they added that fraudulently inflated $65,000.00 onto the mortgage in a refi and gave you a second lien for $65,000.00 as well. That $65 G of your own equity you took out of your house cost you an innumerable amount of money.

  99. FYI: that doesn’t include the Credit default swaps, insurance and bailouts…multiply, multiply and multiply and the governments tax breaks for the poor things losses!!!!!!!!! RIGHT

  100. “If that’s the case in IN, why not give it back to the original owners…” I could see a few legal reasons: IN is a judicial state. Foreclosures are court ratified. Returning the home to the original homeowner amounts to nullifying a judgment. Towns and counties can’t do that. And Towns and counties probably don’t have the means to file the necessary court action to reverse any judgment.

  101. @ bob

    $100,000. mortgage, appraised value $165,000. 30 year value 2 1/2 times the $165,000 = $412,500.00. 400% +

  102. Yes poppy this was the biggest heist of our wealth in history.

  103. I am referring to HOWIE in the movie Benchwarmers … those who afraid to come out into the sunlight….

  104. It is my understanding the banks have gotten paid up to 200 x’s the values…in some cases

  105. HEY HOWIE….Large Minds talk about ideas….Medium Minds talk about events…Small Minds talk about people.

  106. Oh please…..LMAO…..show us anywhere Bob G. these third party imposters are making any credible allegations?

  107. Only if you lead jg.

  108. John Galt,

    for example, tell me how the principal amount of the loan got repaid 42 times over. Please provide the factual details that would support this allegation.

    This Is not a credible allegation without detailed evidence to back it up. If such an allegation could be proved once, it could be proved over and over again. Yet there is no evidence that it can even be proven once let alone over and over again.

    If Garfield could have proven this allegation, he would have done it by now. And if it could have been proven by now, it would have collapsed the entire bank foreclosure industry. However since the entire bank foreclosure industry has not collapsed today, it is safe to assume that there is no proof that the principal amount of a defaulted loan has been repaid 42 times.

    Am I the only one here that sees the falsifiability of Garfield’s allegation with respect to this matter?

  109. If that’s the case in IN, why not give it back to the original owners…why the eff should the neighbors get it…more garbage. Really?

  110. Any chance you brats would take it outside?

  111. VIDEO DESCRIPTION:
    A handful of new Indiana state laws are going into effect. One, a program that would give homeowners living next to an abandoned
    home or vacant piece of property the opportunity to buy it for a dollar if no one wanted it at a tax sale.

    Why not? Then people have all the latitude to file a QT action to clear any potential cloud. Because, apparently, banks are still not required to fix up or maintain foreclosed properties despite the different laws and regulations from all the agencies involved in not fixing the problem…

  112. These crooks like chicken.

  113. Marilyn is lucky she is not being held in contempt of court for telling the truth. Christine you are a lying Nazi.

  114. …..and all of the gold that backs it whether it is in Fort Knoxx or not…..the banks aren’t broke. That is the story they give when they are hoarding and hiding our stolen wealth. Nothing on their balance sheets backs the $60.4 trillion dollars they stole from us since 2008.

  115. Bob,

    I agree. Lots of people on this site are sold bills of goods and end up in a lot of trouble because they follow that kind of unsubstantiated reasoning instead of sticking with true and tried allegations. NG might very well be right but, without the proper supporting document, people using his theories may end up, like Marilyn Lane, with a ruling calling their action frivolous, non meritorious, vexatious and bad faith. And they won’t understand that this is it for them and there is nothing more they can do…

    In her case, she got lucky not to be found in contempt and fined a hefty penalty. And attorney hit with that kind of ruling could be disbarred for gross incompetence and negligence. But hey, I’m the bad guy.

  116. They owe us the U.S. MINT.

  117. Bob g – and what circumstances / events could a homeowner allege
    as fact? I mean, even if NG, say, knows those acts are true, at the beginning of a case, he has no way to support them, is that not so? I got what you’re saying, but I feel your ideas got truncated, and hopefully you’ve got some more…..? Or just leave out the part you object to – is that what you’re saying? He went a tad too far?

  118. Ever wonder why banksters always say the borrower has no equity in the property? Here’s why:

    Manke v. Prautsch, 81 Nev. 261, 401 P.2d 680 (1965) Foreclosure is not permitted when default did not impair the security for the debt. I did not know this. It won’t be useful to many people because many people today are upside down on their loans. But it may be useful to those who aren’t.

  119. BOA/Countrywide….no lost note (counterfeit), never had authority, only bought servicing rights @ $450.00 per note, per merger of 2008. BOA N.A. cannot be the lender either, law says so. CWHL stopped business in 2009…and Ocwen, cannot service from a closed corp…or BOA N.A. National Associations cannot do much, they are lying! That’s the small story. I have been in court with them and still in court with Ocwen, Federal Judge threw the case…waiting to see what they do next. Just FYI

  120. Neil
    You were doing good right up to the following paragraph…this is where you got all conclusory. You Can’t just say this stuff, you need to allege the facts to back it up. If you don’t Back up these allegations with facts, the judge is Probably going to rule against the defendant borrower at this point.

    “And the reason that the investment bankers have paid them to do that is that the investment bankers stole part of the investor money that fueled this scheme, put it in their own pockets and then instead of using the infrastructure of the documented promises made to investors, they claimed to own the loans themselves that were fueled with what money was left after the investment banker skimmed the top. BY claiming they owned the loans they received insurance, credit default swaps, federal money and proceeds of sale to the Federal Reserve and others to the extent of receiving as much as 42 times the principal supposedly due from the borrower, which at all times was due to the investors directly without any intervening entities.”

  121. This is good summary, good tactics and good writing, Neil.
    I give you an A.
    Thanks, you’re still our ‘Billy Jack’ !

  122. Can you help me with Osceola County case 2009CA003487? Restarted with Owen sending me a bill.
    BOA had the case from Countrywide amd used a robosigner to restore lost note.
    Stanley Putra
    262 6422543

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